[Tropmed-l] ironic

[Alan Kay]

Dear Carlos,

I am somewhat reticent about "God bless". I think that human intervention
is usually more effective.

Best regards,

Alan


2013/12/2 Carlos Costa <chncosta at gmail.com>

> Well, this is really warm, tropical! Thanks a lot, Alan!
>
> I have been thinking a lot in these issues. There are lots of things going
> on relative to tropical & developing countries along the temperate &
> developed regions.
>
> We have really to understand much better why the tropics are so poor.
>
> There are a lot of stereotypes, but good insights are coming out.
>
> You are right, we must see the tropics from the inside, from its meat, its
> subjectivity, its pain, its beauty, its richness, to overcome such a sad
> destiny.
>
> God bless you!
>
> Carlos.
>
>
> 2013/12/2 Alan Kay <alan.campbell.kay at gmail.com>
>
>>
>> Dear Carlos,
>>
>> At the XLIX Congresso da Sociedade Brasileira de Medecina Tropicale in
>> Campo Grande this year, I had a conversation about this with several people
>> (I can't remember whom). We came to the conclusion that Brasil is the only
>> tropical country that has a so long lasting Tropical Medicin Society, the
>> others (American, British, French) are countries with a colonial past
>> history. In fact, we thought that it should be named Colonial Medecin,
>> because it was so involved in the health of soldiers and colonialists
>> rather than in the people who were born and bred in these tropical
>> countries. In that respect, Brasil can be proud of its Sociedade Brasileira
>> de Medecina Tropicale that is the foremost Society in tropical countries
>> and promotes the health of the people that live there.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>> 2013/12/2 Carlos Costa <chncosta at gmail.com>
>>
>>> Dear Alan,
>>>
>>> I corrected the first text, that missed the word "tropical medicine",
>>> sent in a second email, which was the one supposed to go tropmed-l.
>>>
>>> Please read the best representation of my wondering:
>>>
>>> Don't you feel that it is quite strange, or ironic, that we, scientists
>>> from tropical countries, choose to publish our best researches *in
>>> Tropical Medicine*  in journals of countries that are not tropical?
>>> Aren't us accepting a new form of colonialism? Aren't us behaving as
>>> submissive peoples?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Carlos.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/12/2 Alan Kay <alan.campbell.kay at gmail.com>
>>>
>>>> Dear colleague,
>>>>
>>>> As a subject of a colonised country (Scotland) as well as a subject of
>>>> a former (perhaps) colonial country (France), I have divided notions about
>>>> your post. First, I find it ironic that your post is in English rather than
>>>> in Portuguese (eu fale um pouco portugues mas eu compreendou bem). Secundo,
>>>> the idea is that our works be as outspread as possible. At the beginning of
>>>> the 20th century this could involve German (for chemistry and physics) or
>>>> French (for Physics or Biology) as well as English (look at the list of
>>>> Nobel Prize winners at this period). Since the Second World War, English,
>>>> because of the suppremicy of the United States in both scientific research
>>>> and the financing of this research, became the standard. One can regret it,
>>>> especially because Editors prefer a very neutral English rather than
>>>> someting that can be readable. I often have this problem. I want my papers
>>>> to be enjoyable to read, but this does not seem to be the point of view of
>>>> the Editors. So, to sum up, it is not the question of English or not, but
>>>> is the article interesting and agreable to read.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Alan KAY
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2013/11/14 Carlos Costa <chncosta at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>> Dear colleagues,
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't you feel that it is quite strange, or ironic, that we,
>>>>> scientists from tropical countries, choose to publish our best researches
>>>>> in journals of countries that are not tropical? Aren's us accepting a new
>>>>> form of colonialism? Aren't us behaving as submissive peoples?
>>>>>
>>>>> All my best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Carlos.
>>>>>
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> Carlos H. N. Costa, MD, DSc.
> Coordenador
> Laboratório de Leishmanioses - LabLeish
> Universidade Federal do Piauí
> Instituto de Doenças Tropicais Natan Portella
> Rua Artur de Vasconcelos 151-Sul
> 64001-450 Teresina-PI
>  Brazil
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