[Leish-l] Fwd: name

Tue Apr 27 22:46:16 BRT 2010

Hi,
This is a discussion forum that is designed to help in all areas of  
interest in this disease. Interest in any topic does not detract from  
the work done on alleviating the sufferings so i do not think that  
these comments are necessary, the fact that so many people have  
commentated shows there is significant interest in this debate and  
this sort of forum is the appropraite mechanism for this discussion. I  
lecture on this disease and try and raise the profile of this  
neglected disease to people i lecture to and this discussion has  
cleared up some misconceptions i have. A disease having so many  
synonymous names can often lead to it's lack of global recognition,  
such as for instance a documentary on visceral leishmaniasis that  
failed to mention the word Leishmania or the lack of association  
between one clinical presentation versus the other. Unlike Plasmodium  
infections we evidently do not have one unifying 'common' term to  
describe this global disease. I for one have found most of what has  
been said in this discussion interesting, and information on the  
origins of the name kala azar difficult to find on the internet so  
thank you for all the historical information.

Cheers

Chris
Quoting vanete.soccol at pq.cnpq.br:

>
> Congratulations Dr Moazzem Hossain
> Finally someone who thinks and who has the courage to speak. We need to stop
> turning in circles.
> Kind regards
> Vanete Thomaz Soccol
>
> Citando Moazzem Hossain <directordcbd at gmail.com>:
>
>> 24 April 2010
>> Dear all
>> Thank you for your so many correspondences regarding a simple term Kala-azar
>> and VL.Both the terms are synonymous, no doubt. Now we should think for
>> their proper treatment and reduce their  sufferings for poverty alleviation,
>> not for debate for simple terms . What is the benefit of the patient with
>> these terms? This will be benefit of the researchers  financially, moving
>> around the world and publication etc. So please think for the treatment of
>> the patient , whatever is the name in any part of the world.
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Prof. Dr. Moazzem Hossain
>> Director Disease Control &
>> Line Director CDC
>> Directorate General of Health Services
>> Mohakhali, Dhaka-1212, Bangladesh
>> Phone:880-2-9880948
>>          880-1715038551(Mobile)
>> Fax    : 880-2-9899085
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Kaliyaperumal Karunamoorthi <
>> k_karunamoorthi at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Dear colleagues,
>> >
>> > I am absolutely support the comments made by Dr Shyam Sunder Dr.Sunil
>> > Arora"and Anuradha that KA and VL are synonymous in India and other parts
>> > of the world.
>> >
>> > Very truly yours
>> >
>> > K. Karunamoorthi
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > *K. Karunamoorthi*
>> > *M. Sc., M.Phil., D.P.H.M., *
>> > *Medical entomologist*
>> > *Jimma University*
>> > *Jimma, Ethiopia.*
>> > *MOBILE: +251913547847; +919786956123*
>> >
>> >
>> > --- On *Wed, 21/4/10, Dr.Sunil Arora <skarora_in at yahoo.com>* wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Dr.Sunil Arora <skarora_in at yahoo.com>
>> >
>> > Subject: Re: [Leish-l] Fwd: name
>> > To: Leish-l at lineu.icb.usp.br, "Anuradha Dube" <anuradhadube at gmail.com>
>> > Date: Wednesday, 21 April, 2010, 2:53 PM
>> >
>> >
>> >   I do endorse the comments of Dr Shyam Sunder and Anuradha that KA and VL
>> > are synonymous in India and elsewhere
>> >
>> > dunil aroraemail: skarora_in at yahoo.com
>> >
>> > --- On *Tue, 4/20/10, Anuradha Dube <anuradhadube at gmail.com>* wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Anuradha Dube <anuradhadube at gmail.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [Leish-l] Fwd: name
>> > To: Leish-l at lineu.icb.usp.br
>> > Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2010, 8:07 AM
>> >
>> > I fully agree with Dr Shyam Sundar's view that VL and Kala azar are
>> > synonymous. Elaborately, to my understanding, VL is classified on  
>>  the basis
>> > of *Leishmania* strains as below:
>> >
>> > *Leishmania donovani donovani ( LDd),* commonly known as *Kala-azar *in
>> > India and Sudan (Africa) as *Anthroponotic  VL. *A further manifestation
>> > in the form of* Post Kala-azar Dermal Leishmanoid (PKDL) *occurs in humans
>> > * *in* India and Sudan *(only?*) *is due to this strain only (LDd)
>> >
>> > *Leishmania donovani chagasi ( LDc)* commonly known as *calaazar* in South
>> > America (Brazil) and  *Leishmania donovani infantum (LDi)* commonly known
>> > as *Mediterranean VL* in Mediterranean, as *Zoonotic VL (*with dog as
>> > reservoir*)*.
>> >
>> > Anuradha
>> >
>> > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Shyam Sundar
>>
> <drshyamsundar at hotmail.com<http://us.mc332.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=drshyamsundar@hotmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >>  *It will be impossible erase kala-azar from leishmaniasis, you might try
>> >> and restrict it to anthroponotic VL. It originated from the deadly black
>> >> fever without treatment. Now also you do see occasional blackish
>> >> discoloration. For most of us, VL and kala-azar us synonymous.*
>> >>
>> >>  *From:* Carlos
>> Costa<http://us.mc332.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=chncosta@gmail.com>
>> >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 08, 2010 12:54 AM
>> >> *To:*
>> Leish-L<http://us.mc332.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Leish-l@lineu.icb.usp.br>
>> >> *Subject:* [Leish-l] Fwd: name
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> >> From: Ashford, R
>>
> <ashford at liverpool.ac.uk<http://us.mc332.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ashford@liverpool.ac.uk>
>> >> >
>> >> Date: 2010/4/6
>> >> Subject: RE: [Leish-l] name
>> >> To: Carlos Costa
>>
> <chncosta at gmail.com<http://us.mc332.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=chncosta@gmail.com>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>  'Visceral leishmaniasis' is correct for all versions.  Personally I much
>> >> prefer to restrict 'kala azar' to the anthroponotic disease in the Indian
>> >> subcontinent.  The epidemiology is so different from that of L. infantum
>> >> infection that they deserve different names. The disease in East  
>>  Africa is
>> a
>> >> problem!
>> >>
>> >> A serious constraint in advocacy of leish, one of the many reasons why
>> >> malaria is so much better known, is the confusion over the names and the
>> >> unfamiliarity of both 'leishmaniasis' and 'kala azar' in the public
>> >> consciousness.  Neither leish nor k-a is a household name.
>> >>
>> >> This doesn't answer your question and, fortunately, we have no 'Academy'
>> >> of the English language, so there is no definitive answer.  All versions
>> are
>> >> 'correct' if they are routinely used, which means they have to be
>> explained
>> >> and defined whenever they are used.
>> >>
>> >> By the way, I believe the 'kala', which means 'black' (same root as
>> >> 'coal') refers not to skin colour, but to the seriousness of   
>> epidemics, as
>> >> with 'black death' for whatever disease(s) (bubonic plague?) killed so
>> many
>> >> people at that time.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Dick Ashford
>> >>
>> >>  Consultant Biologist
>> >> Richard W. Ashford DSc
>> >> 142 Meols Parade
>> >> Meols
>> >> CH47 6AN
>> >> UK
>> >> Tel +44 (0)151 632 2714
>> >>  ------------------------------
>> >> *From:*
>>
> leish-l-bounces at lineu.icb.usp.br<http://us.mc332.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=leish-l-bounces@lineu.icb.usp.br>[
>> >>
>>
> leish-l-bounces at lineu.icb.usp.br<http://us.mc332.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=leish-l-bounces@lineu.icb.usp.br>]
>> >> On Behalf Of Carlos Costa
>>
> [chncosta at gmail.com<http://us.mc332.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=chncosta@gmail.com>
>> >> ]
>> >> *Sent:* 23 March 2010 23:02
>> >> *To:* Leish-L
>> >> *Subject:* [Leish-l] name
>> >>
>> >>    *Visceral leishmaniasis or kala-azar? Which, when, how?*
>> >>
>> >> Carlos.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Carlos H. N. Costa, MD, DSc.
>> >> Instituto de Doenças Tropicais Natan Portella
>> >> Universidade Federal do Piauí
>> >> Brazil
>> >> Telephone: +55 86 3221-3413
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Carlos H. N. Costa, MD, DSc.
>> >> Instituto de Doenças Tropicais Natan Portella
>> >> Universidade Federal do Piauí
>> >> Brazil
>> >> Telephone: +55 86 3221-3413
>> >>
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>> --
>> Prof. Dr. Moazzem Hossain
>> Director Disease Control &
>> Line Director CDC
>> Directorate General of Health Services
>> Mohakhali, Dhaka-1212, Bangladesh
>> Phone:880-2-9880948
>>          880-1715038551(Mobile)
>> Fax    : 880-2-9899085
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